tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30203557.post7783964152254888903..comments2024-03-26T01:10:13.720+00:00Comments on Teach Me Tonight: Challenging the Beauty MythE. M. Selingerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00426524354823232002noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30203557.post-13656933222478258572009-06-07T10:55:07.630+01:002009-06-07T10:55:07.630+01:00Thanks for commenting, tekalynn. It sounds like a ...Thanks for commenting, tekalynn. It sounds like a very horrible, random, and tragic accident, and one which must have been traumatic for your grandfather, as well as fatal for your great-grandfather.Laura Vivancohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00906661869372622821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30203557.post-47383264595706682132009-06-07T08:43:35.044+01:002009-06-07T08:43:35.044+01:00I realize this is a bit late, but I just found thi...I realize this is a bit late, but I just found this entry and wanted to comment. Professor Utter was my great-grandfather. As I understand it, he was walking through the woods on the Cal Berkeley campus during a thunderstorm. Lightning struck a tree, which fell on him and killed him. His son, my grandfather, found his father just before he died.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30203557.post-35065685984985582052008-10-29T07:13:00.000+00:002008-10-29T07:13:00.000+00:00I'm not sure I remember the details, Laura, but I ...I'm not sure I remember the details, Laura, but I know where the tree was. I think he was walking across the Glen (a parklike area) when either the tree fell or a huge branch fell on him. I believe it was during a storm.<BR/><BR/>WV: buckat--item much cherished by LOLrusestalpiannahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13978075304795724185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30203557.post-24740997789886339802008-10-28T10:52:00.000+00:002008-10-28T10:52:00.000+00:00Laura, I would say that they lived for a very long...Laura, I would say that they lived for a very long time after (they were married in 1897 and both died in 1963). I grew up in their house, but since my father didn't marry until he was almost 40, they were both elderly when I knew them. I am not sure that I would include the "happily." It's more that they achieved a certain modus vivendi. He became a model citizen in a secular sense, serving on the school board for decades and all that, but continued as a Robert Ingersoll-style freethinker; she continued her efforts at conversion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30203557.post-18824054599368568752008-10-28T09:40:00.000+00:002008-10-28T09:40:00.000+00:00Virginia, that begins to sound a bit like the stor...Virginia, that begins to sound a bit like the storyline I've come across in some Western-set romances in which the prim school marm reforms the dashing (sometimes widowed, sometimes in charge of his younger siblings) rancher/cowboy. And from the dates you gave it seems as though they lived happily for a very long time after.<BR/><BR/>Tal, the obituary mentioned a tree being involved. What's the full story?Laura Vivancohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00906661869372622821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30203557.post-48007611989871150262008-10-28T04:48:00.000+00:002008-10-28T04:48:00.000+00:00Unfortunately, Professor Utter is remembered less ...Unfortunately, Professor Utter is remembered less for the quality of his scholarship than for the manner of his death, which has entered into UC Berkeley folklore.talpiannahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13978075304795724185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30203557.post-11774299270507828222008-10-27T17:21:00.000+00:002008-10-27T17:21:00.000+00:00There were those who claimed that Grandma, both of...There were those who claimed that Grandma, both of whose brothers were Baptist ministers, married Grandpap in order to provide herself with her own private and personal missionary field.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30203557.post-45859296871334730442008-10-27T17:17:00.000+00:002008-10-27T17:17:00.000+00:00Laura Vivanco said... Virginia, was he making a...Laura Vivanco said...<BR/><BR/> Virginia, was he making a joke? I'm just thinking that if he hadn't even seen his fiancee's ankles, how would he know that he couldn't abide a woman with thick ankles? And if she had had thick ankles, how on earth would he have explained the skirt twitching? Would he have hopped out and asked for an annulment? So many questions....<BR/><BR/>He wasn't making a joke. He was a 36-year-old widower and had been in many a dance hall as he cattle-traded his way through the west, I fear. She was a rather prim schoolteacher, daughter of the local doctor.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30203557.post-70403433098339515852008-10-27T10:23:00.000+00:002008-10-27T10:23:00.000+00:00Virginia, was he making a joke? I'm just thinking ...Virginia, was he making a joke? I'm just thinking that if he hadn't even seen his fiancee's ankles, how would he know that he couldn't abide a woman with thick ankles? And if she had had thick ankles, how on earth would he have explained the skirt twitching? Would he have hopped out and asked for an annulment? So many questions....<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the recommendation, Tal. Questia have some excerpts available <A HREF="http://www.questia.com/library/book/pamelas-daughters-by-gwendolyn-bridges-needham-robert-palfrey-utter.jsp" REL="nofollow">here</A>. Apparently "<I>Pamela's Daughters</I>, a study in the fashions in heroines, [is] a work that reveals the author's gift for wholesome but gentle satire. This book was completed only a month before he died" (from <A HREF="http://content.cdlib.org/xtf/view?docId=hb9q2nb5z2&doc.view=frames&chunk.id=div00023&toc.depth=1&toc.id=" REL="nofollow">an obituary</A>).Laura Vivancohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00906661869372622821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30203557.post-39485990871367323642008-10-27T05:32:00.000+00:002008-10-27T05:32:00.000+00:00May I recommend a book called Pamela's Daughters, ...May I recommend a book called <B>Pamela's Daughters,</B> by Robert Palfrey Utter and Gwendolyn Bridges Needham; 1936. (It's online at Questia Library, if you can't find a hard copy.) It's a history of the fashions in heroines of popular fiction, and the social forces that shaped them, from Richardson to the 1930s. Fascinating and entertaining: there's an entire chapter on tears and another one on fainting.talpiannahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13978075304795724185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30203557.post-1122388023912304522008-10-26T21:25:00.000+00:002008-10-26T21:25:00.000+00:00Laura Vivanco asked:"Virginia, what about well-tur...Laura Vivanco asked:<BR/>"Virginia, what about well-turned ankles? I'm fairly sure that thick ankles are sometimes mentioned as a sign of non-aristocratic descent, though I'm not sure if that's a convention I've absorbed from Heyer or if it came from somewhere else. Anyone else come across that one?"<BR/><BR/>My paternal grandparents married in 1897 (they both died in 1963). Grandma was plump (not obese or flabby, but definitely rotund, and less than five feet tall). She told me once that after the wedding, right after they got into the buggy to drive away, the first think her new husband did was twitch up her skirt, take a look, heave a sigh of relief, and say, "Thank goodness! I never could abide a woman with thick ankles."<BR/><BR/>Her ankles remained trim until the day she died.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30203557.post-47349003584476390742008-10-26T09:50:00.000+00:002008-10-26T09:50:00.000+00:00I sometimes find the friends-to-lovers storyline a...<I>I sometimes find the friends-to-lovers storyline appealing if it adds dimension to the relationship--but it risks losing that sincerity if too much is made of the BFF getting a makeover, or the tomboy growing into a beauty. It's tricky, of course: perhaps some catalyst is needed to change the relationship.</I><BR/><BR/>In Austen's <I>Emma</I> it's the realisation of how jealous they are at the thought of their friend getting married to someone else that's the catalyst. I thought that worked well.<BR/><BR/>Virginia, what about well-turned ankles? I'm fairly sure that thick ankles are sometimes mentioned as a sign of non-aristocratic descent, though I'm not sure if that's a convention I've absorbed from Heyer or if it came from somewhere else. Anyone else come across that one?<BR/><BR/><I>I think a lot of the convention comes from the notion of "blue blood," which itself comes from the fact that aristocratic ladies, who did not have to labor all day in the hot sun like peasant women, had very pale skin through which the blue veins could be clearly seen.</I><BR/><BR/>The equivalent in Spain was "sangre de Godos" i.e. blood descended from the Visigoths, and there's a clear racial element to that. Then again, it's present only slightly less indirectly in the correlation between pallor and nobility.Laura Vivancohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00906661869372622821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30203557.post-13933208168112713022008-10-26T03:49:00.000+00:002008-10-26T03:49:00.000+00:00I think a lot of the convention comes from the not...I think a lot of the convention comes from the notion of "blue blood," which itself comes from the fact that aristocratic ladies, who did not have to labor all day in the hot sun like peasant women, had very pale skin through which the blue veins could be clearly seen.<BR/><BR/>WV: pitshi--Inuit word for a sled dog that is half pit bull and half Shih-Tsu.talpiannahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13978075304795724185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30203557.post-67115485529952242132008-10-25T14:03:00.000+01:002008-10-25T14:03:00.000+01:00Laura Vivanco wrote:"I don't know any aristocrats ...Laura Vivanco wrote:<BR/>"I don't know any aristocrats personally, but from what I've seen of them in portraits and newspapers etc I don't think they're at all homogeneous and I very much doubt it's actually possible to tell just from looking at them that they are aristocrats. Heyer would disagree, I suspect, as she has a heroine who's a lost heir in These Old Shades and (discerning) people can tell she's an aristocrat. I remain highly dubious, and I think the princess on the pea must have some bizarre blood disorder if she gets bruises from lying on a pea, particularly since was covered by all those mattresses."<BR/><BR/>It does seem difficult, on the basic of historical portraits (much less 19th century British and French caricatures) to assume that all aristocrats had a certain "look." In novel-land, however, especially in the 19th century, there are certain standard tells for female aristocrats. I'm picking these out of George Barr McCutcheon:<BR/><BR/>long, slender, pointed fingers<BR/><BR/>small feet (never wide ones)<BR/><BR/>a long, swan-like, neck<BR/><BR/>delicate features (never large or, heaven-help-us, with a double chin)<BR/><BR/>tall enough to sweep down a staircase effectively<BR/><BR/>Note that these tells did not include any specific hair color, as long as the color was something dramatic rather than mouse-brown.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30203557.post-48521904288954084262008-10-25T06:59:00.000+01:002008-10-25T06:59:00.000+01:00"I like these kind of stories (the "hidden beauty"..."<I>I like these kind of stories (the "hidden beauty" or "revealed beauty" stories) so much more than the common Pygmalion theme in which the plain girl gets a makeover and THEN the hero falls in love with her. To my mind it's a pretty shallow hero who falls for a new hairdo or a new dress.</I>"<BR/><BR/>I like the hidden beauty stories too, because while physical glamor is nice, it's largely nonspecific. Being attracted to THAT specific man/woman is much more interesting than being attracted to ANY man/woman who looks generally similar. I think that's why sometimes a hero (often, but heroines too) remarks that the heroine isn't his usual type. It represents THIS heroine standing out from the crowd or being worth the extra effort to get past that facile preference.<BR/><BR/>The hate-at-first-sight device has an element of that, too. Obviously it sets up a change in the relationship, but it may also denote a need to get to know each other better in order to *discover* attraction.<BR/><BR/>Similarly, I sometimes find the friends-to-lovers storyline appealing if it adds dimension to the relationship--but it risks losing that sincerity if too much is made of the BFF getting a makeover, or the tomboy growing into a beauty. It's tricky, of course: perhaps some catalyst is needed to change the relationship.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30203557.post-24897614238260579182008-10-25T03:19:00.000+01:002008-10-25T03:19:00.000+01:00Laura, TO WED A STRANGER is part of the following ...Laura, TO WED A STRANGER is part of the following series:<BR/><BR/>The Cad<BR/>The Choice<BR/>The Chance<BR/>The Challenge<BR/>The Conquest<BR/>To Wed a Stranger<BR/>To Tempt a Bride <BR/><BR/>It helps if you can read the earlier ones, though it's not absolutely necessary.<BR/><BR/>TO TEMPT A BRIDE is the story of Miles's sister Camille, who is an even more delightful as a heroine than as a secondary character.talpiannahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13978075304795724185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30203557.post-12395793127784622722008-10-25T00:47:00.000+01:002008-10-25T00:47:00.000+01:00Melinda, now that you mention it, Sylvester's a ve...Melinda, now that you mention it, <I>Sylvester</I>'s a very good example. I think you're right that he calls Phoebe a sparrow. Interestingly, in <I>The Quiet Gentleman</I> St Erth describes Drusilla as a robin, and she thinks she ought to be a sparrow:<BR/><BR/><I>'[...] Your practical observations, my absurd robin, are the delight of my life!'<BR/>Miss Morville looked at him. Then, with a deep sigh, she laid her hand in his. But what she said was: 'You must mean a sparrow!'<BR/>'I will not allow you to dictate to me, now or ever, Miss Morville! I mean a robin!' said the Earl firmly</I> (282)<BR/><BR/>That's about the most overbearing St Erth gets, and he isn't like that in the rest of the novel. Drusilla has rather more interest in fashion than Phoebe, which might account for why she's a robin rather than a sparrow, but I think it's interesting that both of them are depicted by Heyer as less-than-conventionally-beautiful, and both of them are compared to small birds which aren't generally thought of as being particularly beautiful.<BR/><BR/><I>To my mind it's a pretty shallow hero who falls for a new hairdo or a new dress. . .</I><BR/><BR/>Yes, I agree. And it's a pretty shallow heroine who falls for the hero's muscled body. Unfortunately, in some romances, it can seem as though that's the hero's main attraction.<BR/><BR/><I>Layton also has a wonderful book called TO WED A STRANGER.</I><BR/><BR/>Tal, I've got this in my TBR pile. It does sound very interesting.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the recommendation, Bookwormom. And you're definitely not too late to join in the conversation! I'm very pleased you've found these posts interesting, and if you have any more thoughts on the topic, or come up with some romances which fit the theme, please do share them with the rest of us.Laura Vivancohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00906661869372622821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30203557.post-42097275000763161612008-10-24T17:36:00.000+01:002008-10-24T17:36:00.000+01:00I'm rather late to this conversation & the...I'm rather late to this conversation & the related one on the 15th, but I wanted to recommend a title that I've found helpful & thought provoking: <B>Our Looks, Our Lives</B> by Nancy Friday. I read it nearly ten years ago & had to hunt for it again last week when the first Beauty Myth column came up. I think I'm going to reread it now.<BR/><BR/>Having just hit the forty milestone birthday this year, I occasionally find myself viewing my 40 year old self with 16 year old eyes, "OMG- what've you done to yourself?!" These two columns are timely for me & I plan to return to them when I've more time to sit and think about the issues you raise.<BR/><BR/>I can't think of romances that fit this theme, although I know they're out there. If I can come up with titles later I'll post them here.Bob & Muffintophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12517851052183148808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30203557.post-29201977239906468902008-10-24T06:24:00.000+01:002008-10-24T06:24:00.000+01:00I think Edith Layton has a story in one of the Reg...I think Edith Layton has a story in one of the Regency anthologies in which the heroine has had it dinned into her all her life that she isn't as beautiful as her mother, a famous beauty. Finally the hero (I think) points out to her that beauty is all her mother HAS--her selfishness has driven her husband away, and she has no friends. She can't bear the idea that her daughter, so much younger, might outshine her; so she's convinced her that because her looks are of a different type than her mother's, she must be plain.<BR/><BR/>Layton also has a wonderful book called TO WED A STRANGER. Lady Annabelle Wylde is a famous beauty who has been a bit of a villain in several earlier books, setting her cap for various heroes and starting spiteful gossip about the heroines. Well, she's now an ancient twenty-seven and still unwed, so she agrees to her father's advice that she marry Miles Croft, the new Viscount Pelham, even though she barely knows him.<BR/><BR/>On their wedding night, she comes down with a nearly fatal case of influenza, which leaves her bald (they cut her hair) and looking skeletal.<BR/><BR/>Miles's main reason for marrying Annabelle was that he wanted a well-established society lady to launch his sister on her first Season. To his horror, he finds that Annabelle has not only lost her looks but has never had any close friends, due to her mother convincing her that everyone else is jealous of her beauty.<BR/><BR/>Annabelle and Miles are pretty much stranded as he nurses her back to at least a semblance of health, aided by a local herbwife. Annabelle has to reconstruct her view of herself, which had been entirely based on her looks. (Much of the blame for this turns out to belong to her mother.) She comes to care for Miles, at the same time feeling more and more that she doesn't deserve to be loved, not only because she's ugly but because she's a rotten person. Of course, the more she realizes this, the more considerate she becomes.<BR/><BR/>When they return to Miles's principal seat, his mother (even worse than hers, we find) flattens her with shock at her deterioration; but his younger brother, and especially his delightful if unconventional sister, like her for herself. At a local assembly, she runs into a group of the characters she'd done wrong to in the earlier books in the series, but they are kind and helpful and supportive. Annabelle still has a way to go, but by the end of the book she has become an admirable, indeed lovable character--unselfish, honest, honorable, and brave.<BR/><BR/>This is an unusual book because the heroine starts out beautiful outside but not inside, and winds up just the opposite (though her looks are mostly restored and will be completely by rest and proper care).<BR/><BR/>For a plain gal who made good, there's always Wallis, Duchess of Windsor...<BR/><BR/>Angela, see if you can find a copy of MURDER WITH PEACOCKS by Donna Andrews. The heroine is maid of honor at THREE weddings, and responsible for organizing two of them. And each bridesmaid's dress is worse than the others.<BR/><BR/>And talk about role reversal! The heroine is a blacksmith, and the hero runs a bridal shop.<BR/><BR/>WV: comisive--a BDSM romance featuring two submissives?talpiannahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13978075304795724185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30203557.post-40629119075472192882008-10-24T04:05:00.000+01:002008-10-24T04:05:00.000+01:00What about Heyer's Sylvester, in which Phoebe is c...What about Heyer's Sylvester, in which Phoebe is completely unimpressive to Sylvester at first? (Before the book begins, she has had a season in London and he danced with her and then promptly forgot her.)IIRC, she is described as plain (thin, awkward, brown-haired, no complexion, etc) and Sylvester calls her "sparrow."<BR/><BR/>Also I think of Jean R. Ewing's "Rogue's Reward" where the heroine (Eleanor?) is the plain daughter of a beautiful mother. Her nickname is "brown hen."<BR/><BR/>I think Mary Balogh writes this kind of heroine beautifully, too. Same for Carla Kelly. (can't cite chapter and verse on them without some research, but it seems to me that these two authors seldom write of truly beautiful women)<BR/><BR/>You know, Laura, I like these kind of stories (the "hidden beauty" or "revealed beauty" stories) so much more than the common Pygmalion theme in which the plain girl gets a makeover and THEN the hero falls in love with her. To my mind it's a pretty shallow hero who falls for a new hairdo or a new dress. . .RevMelindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09266250590472359357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30203557.post-75232933469483234542008-10-23T21:56:00.000+01:002008-10-23T21:56:00.000+01:00In this book, physical appearance is always signif...<I>In this book, physical appearance is always significantly, in the minds of the characters, associated with social class (as in the example of the "peasant" body) and intellectual refinement.</I><BR/><BR/>I don't know any aristocrats personally, but from what I've seen of them in portraits and newspapers etc I don't think they're at all homogeneous and I very much doubt it's actually possible to tell just from looking at them that they <I>are</I> aristocrats. Heyer would disagree, I suspect, as she has a heroine who's a lost heir in <I>These Old Shades</I> and (discerning) people can tell she's an aristocrat. I remain highly dubious, and I think the princess on the pea must have some bizarre blood disorder if she gets bruises from lying on a pea, particularly since was covered by all those mattresses.<BR/><BR/><I>Then he jokingly asks her to run away with him. Then he seriously asks her.</I><BR/><BR/>Oh dear! I feel sorry for Hal, now, as I assume he's not the hero. Did he get his own book later?<BR/><BR/><I>Sadly, I chose the dress. Most of my worst fasion decisions have been my own. I have no one to blame but myself. :-)</I><BR/><BR/>You must have had a reason for liking it originally. Maybe it isn't as bad as you now think it is?Laura Vivancohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00906661869372622821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30203557.post-67283369005578366012008-10-23T19:22:00.000+01:002008-10-23T19:22:00.000+01:00In The Perfect Rake the hero, Gideon, Lord Carradi...In <I>The Perfect Rake</I> the hero, Gideon, Lord Carradice, has no idea that the heroine, Prudence Merridew is less than beautiful. He can't figure out what everyone else is talking about. He basically falls in love with her at first sight.<BR/><BR/>In <I>An Unwilling Bride</I> Beth has a conversation with Lord Arden's friend, Hal Beaumont, in which she tells him she knows she's not beautiful and he tells her that's only because she's never seen her own face in animation. Then he jokingly asks her to run away with him. Then he seriously asks her. It is one of my favorite scenes in that book. I also like how Lucien falls in love with Beth for herself. There's no wooing him with sex, which is a nice change.<BR/><BR/>Sadly, I chose the dress. Most of my worst fasion decisions have been my own. I have no one to blame but myself. :-)Angelahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10036078211777850499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30203557.post-5837540747640662822008-10-23T16:04:00.000+01:002008-10-23T16:04:00.000+01:00Upon poking my forty-year-old memories, I think th...Upon poking my forty-year-old memories, I think that it was Abbie's paternal grandmother who was the aristocratic lady in the portrait.<BR/><BR/>The definitions of beauty and desirable physical appearance remain unchanged.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30203557.post-20323850189631761722008-10-23T13:37:00.000+01:002008-10-23T13:37:00.000+01:00Although it is not precisely a romance, I would ce...Although it is not precisely a romance, I would certainly add to the list Bess Streeter Aldrich, A Lantern in Her Hand. Throughout her life, Abbie (Mackenzie) Deal is distressed by her <BR/>"short, dumpy, peasant body" as contrasted with the "tall, slender, aristocratic" model of (IIRC) her mother-in-law.<BR/><BR/>In this book, physical appearance is always significantly, in the minds of the characters, associated with social class (as in the example of the "peasant" body) and intellectual refinement.<BR/><BR/>This book may not be familiar to English readers or to younger US readers. However, marketed as YA, it has been very widely read.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30203557.post-7312908713235451992008-10-23T09:40:00.000+01:002008-10-23T09:40:00.000+01:00Yes, you're right, Tal.Angela, my experience is th...Yes, you're right, Tal.<BR/><BR/>Angela, my experience is that, however bad you think you look at the time, when you look at the photos five or ten years later, what you really notice is how young you look.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, in many cases aren't bridesmaids dresses specially chosen to make the wearers look worse than the bride, or at least to just provide a background colour scheme, so that she stands out even more radiantly? It doesn't seem particularly fair, but if it makes the bride happy for a day then I suppose you could think of your discomfort/worry as a kind of wedding present that you're giving to her. And from a pragmatic point of view, if everyone is looking at her, they won't be spending much time looking at you.<BR/><BR/>Alternatively, maybe she thinks you look great in the dress, so she'll think you look lovely in the photos. And again, maybe it would help to think of your sacrifice as a kind of present to her? Or maybe you'll even come round to seeing yourself the way she sees you?<BR/><BR/>Which bits about <I>An Unwilling Bride</I> and <I>The Perfect Rake</I> were particularly challenging to the beauty myth? Can you share some quotes with us?Laura Vivancohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00906661869372622821noreply@blogger.com