tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30203557.post4809644629456748588..comments2024-03-26T01:10:13.720+00:00Comments on Teach Me Tonight: Braving the Scottish RomanceE. M. Selingerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00426524354823232002noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30203557.post-60286483601742218552014-06-06T04:25:14.143+01:002014-06-06T04:25:14.143+01:00Here's a lighthearted book that pokes at the c...Here's a lighthearted book that pokes at the conventions just a bit: http://www.amazon.com/Scottish-Romance-Chicks-Seduction-Highlander/dp/1499354045Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30203557.post-65612487705069586342010-12-24T11:04:31.012+00:002010-12-24T11:04:31.012+00:00Thanks Teddy Pig! I hadn't actually thought ab...Thanks Teddy Pig! I hadn't actually thought about the Jamie to James/Jim transition at all until I saw the blog post in which someone else mentioned it, so I hadn't realised it could lead to a "rather violent drunken outburst."<br /><br />I did know a couple of Jamies when I was at school (in Scotland), and if I'd spoken to or met one of them recently, I'd have automatically called him "Jamie." Now I've been warned, I think I'd better err on the side of caution and call him "James."Laura Vivancohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00906661869372622821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30203557.post-7164440814795955792010-12-24T02:45:32.708+00:002010-12-24T02:45:32.708+00:00Why yes, my youngest brother Jamie did insist afte...Why yes, my youngest brother Jamie did insist after a rather violent drunken outburst that his eldest brother, myself, should immediately STOP CALLING HIM JAMIE... ASAP!<br /><br />As the perpetrator of doing such things HEH! and yes I knew it caused him such stress and was wondering a what point he would actually crack I can attest that the insistence and outburst involving the transition between growing up with the name Jamie and wanting to be called Jim or James was not as mild as you are making it out to be.<br /><br />Having the last name Dickison and my name being Richard or Dick which is what I was cursed with and being lowland Scottish from eons back I felt I should lend a little credence to your current claims.Teddy Pighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03660335158038390871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30203557.post-40287339970961232242010-12-11T00:09:01.760+00:002010-12-11T00:09:01.760+00:00Thanks Sunita and Marianne. My knowledge of emigra...Thanks Sunita and Marianne. My knowledge of emigration from Scotland is hazy in the extreme. Thinking back to what I was taught at school (in Scotland) I remember we learnt a little bit about the Darien Venture.Laura Vivancohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00906661869372622821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30203557.post-67707232715670786182010-12-10T23:16:54.420+00:002010-12-10T23:16:54.420+00:00Just as regards the Irish emigrants, Laura, I foun...Just as regards the Irish emigrants, Laura, I found this snippet:<br />"The traditional view of emigration in Presbyterian Ulster differed greatly from the image prevalent among the great mass of the population, the Gaelic Catholics. In the popular mythology of the Scots-Irish, the New World offered an almost biblical deliverance from religious intolerance and economic oppression, whereas to Catholics emigration meant exile. .... second in suffering only to death itself."<br /><br />(www.irishtimes.com)<br /><br />(That's talking about the 18th C - clearly the picture in the 19th C changes.)Marianne McAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30203557.post-4963841578622462682010-12-10T13:51:02.210+00:002010-12-10T13:51:02.210+00:00Laura, the 18th century Scottish immigrants were a...Laura, the 18th century Scottish immigrants were a mix of Ulster Scots (often considered Irish in colonial America) and Scottish Scots. The former were almost entirely Protestant and the latter were a mix of Catholic and Presbyterian. Maryland was hospitable to Catholics (as was Quebec) but it wasn't only Catholics. And there was both Lowland and Highland emigration.Sunitanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30203557.post-57610317377634693412010-12-10T11:46:25.353+00:002010-12-10T11:46:25.353+00:00"The other thing about Scottish migration is ..."<i>The other thing about Scottish migration is that there was such an important part of it that is pre-revolution, Scottish Americans often think of themselves as part of the old, elite stock of American society. The Irish, of course, also immigrated from the early 1700s onward</i>"<br /><br />Sunita, what proportion of those Scottish Americans were Protestants? And what proportion of the Irish arriving at the same time were Catholics? Does that have any bearing on how each group perceived itself, and was perceived by others?Laura Vivancohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00906661869372622821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30203557.post-31795556649352288702010-12-09T21:00:39.209+00:002010-12-09T21:00:39.209+00:00Great post, Laura. I can't read a Men in Kilts...Great post, Laura. I can't read a Men in Kilts romance, and even when I read reviews or synopses I have the Scotland chapter of Hobsbawm and Ranger's Invention of Tradition in my head as running commentary. <br /><br />I teach US immigration history and politics at the undergraduate level and as a result I've learned a fair amount about Scottish migration in the 18th century. It's fascinating but also heartbreaking, since the push factors were essentially the post-1745 British policies and the economic crises that followed them. Interestingly, there were repeated fears that Scottish migration would come at the expense of cheap labor for British elites, and there were calls to limit migration. <br /><br />The other thing about Scottish migration is that there was such an important part of it that is pre-revolution, Scottish Americans often think of themselves as part of the old, elite stock of American society. The Irish, of course, also immigrated from the early 1700s onward, but in popular American culture they're identified with mid-1800s (potato famine) and late 1800s (Ellis Island working class).Sunitanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30203557.post-18877982933573960092010-12-09T18:44:03.053+00:002010-12-09T18:44:03.053+00:00My husband wore a full great-kilt for our wedding....My husband wore a full great-kilt for our wedding. I confess to "romanticizing the other", vis-a-vis Scotland. Mea Culpa.Kyra Kramernoreply@blogger.com